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About Me
I am an Emissary for Yahushuah
proclaiming the Water Spirit Blood-
washing of rebirth
and renewal by the Set-Apart Spirit
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Share your testimony
Many people are claiming the blood of Yahushuah
and yet are still carrying their sins-
I have come to oped the eyes of those
who will resist Satan's effort to bring out
their carnal defensive natures which will reject this
amazing truth
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Music-Playing, Games, Guitar Playing, Computers
The most embarrassing thing I ever did was:
between me and Elohim
I believe...
everything proceeded and came forth from Father Elohim

Is your love for your children..."CONDITIONAL" ?



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YOUR GOD ... or ... MY GOD ... YOU DECIDE

YOUR GOD ... or ... MY GOD ... YOU DECIDE

ARE YOU TOO...
WORSHIPING A GOD OF FAILURE...

A God
Who always has to go from plan A to plan B

A God
Who is running a "disaster control operation" from heaven

A God
Who supposedly created creatures
HE CANNOT CONTROL

Creatures that will wreck His original plan

The foolish and unscriptural teaching
is that God created a PERFECT archangel
who then SINNED AND REBELLED AGAINST God

But ... BUT,
here is the evil in this teaching:

God did not INTEND,
nei… Continue

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 2:15am —

William Wilbur

YOUR GOD ... or ... MY GOD ... YOU DECIDE (Part 2)

YOUR GOD ... or ... MY GOD ... YOU DECIDE (Part 2)

I believed in the Trinity ...and then I looked for myself

The Trinity as defined by
Hastings Dictionary of the Bible Page 1015:

The Christian doctrine of God
as existing in three Persons and one Substance
is not demonstrable by logic or scriptual proof

Regardless, those that believe in and teach the Trinity
believe that it is, "...a necessary "hypothesis"
that there are three persons to the Godhead:

God the Father
The Holy Ghost (Spirit)
Je… Continue

Posted on September 24, 2009 at 2:15am —

William Wilbur

THE AWAKENING...YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG!!

THE AWAKENING...YOU'VE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG!!

Jesus came by Water and Blood
not by Water only
but by Water and Blood

in other words:

Jesus came by Baptism and Death
not by Baptism only
but by Baptism and Death

Not everyone claiming the Blood of Christ
will stand before him at his coming

Therefore, not everyone
claiming the Blood of Christ

will be able to SEE and UNDERSTAND
the "WATER" aspect of SALVATION

Not even if GOD himself,
PAINTED THEM A PICTURE!!

But wait- He did indeed paint ever… Continue

Posted on September 19, 2009 at 12:22pm —

William Wilbur

Why the Gospel really is the "GOOD NEWS" for ALL mankind

Why the Gospel really is the "GOOD NEWS" for ALL mankind


Christ spoke ONLY in parables
when talking with the masses,


Matt 13:34
"ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude
in PARABLES; and without a parable spake He NOT unto them"


PARABLES ARE SPIRITUAL


A parable is a story
that contains in figurative or symbolic language
a higher moral or spiritual truth


Parables are HIGHER, SPIRITUAL,
GLORIOUS teachings of ETERNAL things


Literally
they are of little consequence;

Spiritually
t… Continue

Posted on September 5, 2009 at 10:24am —

William Wilbur

PARABLES

PARABLES

Christ spoke ONLY in parables
when talking with the masses,

Matt 13:34
"ALL these things spake Jesus unto the multitude
in PARABLES; and without a parable spake He NOT unto them"

PARABLES ARE SPIRITUAL

A parable is a story
that contains in figurative or symbolic language
a higher moral or spiritual truth

Parables are HIGHER, SPIRITUAL,
GLORIOUS teachings of ETERNAL things

Literally
they are of little consequence;

Spiritually
they are of enormous consequence

But without knowing w… Continue

Posted on September 5, 2009 at 1:52am —

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At 10:43am on August 11, 2009, NO CEASE said…
Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting? For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. How we thank God, who gives us victory over sin and death through Jesus Christ our Lord!


1 Corinthians 15:55-56 NLT

Jesus lives, and so shall I: Death, thy sting is gone forever! He for me hath deigned to die, lives the bands of death to sever. He shall raise me from the dust: Jesus is my hope and trust.
At 1:30pm on March 28, 2009, William Wilbur said…
Is your LOVE for your children... "CONDITIONAL"?

Does your son or daughter have to ask you everyday
for your forgiveness/love?

Do you not love them unconditionally?

Or is your love for them dependent upon their efforts
to earn and deserve your love?

Of course not!!

Your love is unconditional because they are your children
and they are a part of your very being and existence

LOOK AROUND YOU

Everything and everyone you see
came forth and proceeded from God

Everything and everyone
are a part of his very being and existence

WE ARE HIS CHILDREN

WHO ARE IN THE ON-GOING PROCESS
OF BECOMING SONS AND DAUGHTERS

Sin was not an unexpected shock
that surprised even our Creator

It was and is however, an important aspect
required in the process of each of us
being made into his very image

Although it temporarily separated us from our Father
he had prepared for it and for its elimination
through the Lamb prepared before the
foundations of the world

and we, being a part of his very being
would be saved by the death of Jesus

Do you really believe
that Jesus paid for ALL sin
for ALL time with his ONE offering?

And that he did indeed reconcile
all the children who were separated by sin
back unto the Father with the shedding
of his precious blood?

IS "PERFECT LOVE" CONDITIONAL?

dependent on you doing something
to earn or deserve this "perfect love"?

Is the Father of "Perfect Love"

the Father of imperfect "Conditional Love"
dependent on you doing something
to earn or deserve it?

No my friends

Just as your children do not have to ask
for your love/forgiveness every day
as long as they shall live

Neither do the Children of God
have to ask him for his love/forgiveness
every day as long as they shall live

Just as we parents out of our love for them
want our children to see and understand their mistakes

Our Father wants us to acknowledge
our mistakes by confessing them to him

which shows him that we know our failings
and therefore can learn from them to avoid
continually repeating the same errors

AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS
WE NO LONGER HAVE TO ASK HIM FOR FORGIVENESS

WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN

Satan does not want you to know this
which results in you still carrying your sins
and yet claiming the Blood of Jesus

Yes, it is Satan himself who wants you
to keep asking for forgiveness

because if you continue to ask for forgiveness;

you are denying the Correct Faith
that he already took ALL sins for ALL time
and paid the price (judgment)
for ALL sins for ALL time

This incorrect faith allows Satan to argue
that you do not have the Correct Faith

and that you have not been reborn of the "Water"

there fore you are still carrying your sins
and therefore you indeed belong to him!!

Satan wants you to keep believing
that you have to pray daily for sins;
as a never-ending requirement to be saved

Read my writing with the pictures within:
Most Christians will die in their sins

For Satan has hidden the "WATER" aspect of salvation
from almost all the professing Christians of the world
(this is NOT about our Baptisms)

William Wilbur

http://www.myspace.com/water_spirit_blood

http://livinginblackandwhite.ning.com/profile/WilliamWilbur
At 10:41pm on March 2, 2009, William Wilbur said…
FOREKNOWLEDGE CONTRADICTS FREE WILL

Phil 2:13
it is God (not man)
which works in you BOTH TO WILL (God causes us ‘to will’)
and TO DO (God causes us ‘to do’)
of His good pleasure" to bring about His intentions

After years of following Jesus daily,
the apostles were not as yet converted

In the evening of the last Passover
Jesus tells Peter:

Luke 22:31-32
"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon,
behold Satan has desired to have you,
that he may sift you as wheat;

But I have prayed for you,
that your faith fall not:
and when you are converted,
strengthen your brethren"

Yes indeed, "when you are converted"

And just when might that be?
Up until the very last day with their Lord,
the apostles all believed that they
possessed the power of free will,

which could enable them to choose
their own destiny, and that they could
and would have the strength of self determinism
and free will to maintain that course

But Jesus told His disciples
that they would all forsake Him

In other words,
Jesus was foretelling of EVENTS that would cause
(even ‘force,’ if you will) them to change their wills,
against their previously stated wills

They of course, all denied
that Jesus knew what He was talking about

Mark 14:27 & Zech 13:7
"And Jesus said unto them,
all ye shall be offended because of Me this night;
for it is written, I shall smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered"

The disciples all said
that they would remain loyal
but Jesus said that they would all
be offended because of Him

Was there a reason
for God causing the disciples
to will loyalty to Jesus and then
in the same night to will to deny Jesus?

Does God do anything in vain without a reason?

This was all part of their conversion process!!

God totally humiliated them by proving to them
that their own will was not free
to do what they wanted, but that

Phil. 2:13
"it is God (not man) which works in you
BOTH TO WILL (God causes us ‘to will’)
and TO DO (God causes us ‘to do’)
of His good pleasure"
to bring about His intentions

In just one night God smashed
the presumed free will of all the disciples
and they lost confidence in their flesh after that night

There are two things that constantly
oppose and change the will of man,
so that it cannot be said that the will
is free to will its own destiny
for even a day or an hour

What are these two factors
over which man has absolutely
no control whatsoever?

CIRCUMSTANCES

and

GOD’S WILL



CIRCUMSTANCES:
God changes the minds and wills of mankind
around the world, a billion times a minute,
through circumstances that "you know not"

which are actually the cause of your choices
and your changed choices

We are often if not most of the time
completely unaware of what actually
caused us to do or say or think as we do

How did all the disciples will
to remain loyal to Jesus no matter what,
at one moment in time, and in the next moment
they all changed their will to forsake Him?

What changed their wills?

Circumstances!!

One moment they were at ease and safe
in the upper room, and at a later moment
they were in the garden surrounded by Roman Soldiers!

Fear was the circumstance
that caused their (un-free) wills to change

So it was the presence of certain circumstances
that caused the disciples to will as they did

But what caused the circumstances
to be as they were to ensure
that they would will appropriately
to fulfill Christ’s prophecy concerning
their denying and forsaking Him?

GOD’S WILL:

Who was in charge of all these circumstances,
which caused the disciples to change their wills?

Why God, of course

They did not want to change their wills
They did not desire to deny their Lord and Saviour
They did not wish to make liars of themselves
They did not want to be shown to be cowards

Well then, why did they change their wills
if they did not wish to change their wills?

Were they free to not change their wills?

No, they were not free.

The fear inside of them caused and made
(and yes, FORCED, if you will) them to change their will

And Jesus Himself told them
that they would change their wills,
so how pray tell could it have been otherwise?

God knew exactly what was needed
to make all of the disciples change their wills

God said that they would change their wills
and forsake Jesus,and God was not about
to be made a liar

Peter did not even know what it was that caused him
to deny Christ until the "cock crew"

In our above example with the disciples,
not only did they change their emphatically
stated will, but, they did so against their stated will

Even when they willed to change their will,
they did so against their original desired will

Peter did not want to deny Christ
but he was made to deny Christ
by the mere fact that the alternative (fear)
was greater than his desire to remain loyal

And so, how was he "free" to remain loyal?

He wasn’t

Peter was no more "free" to not deny Jesus
any more than he was "free"
to be loyal in his original choice

Both choices were caused,
and once something is caused to happen,
it could never had been otherwise

Once the cause is set in motion,
the effect must follow

God brought about circumstances that
caused, made, forced, Peter to do
what he didn’t want to do

How then, can such a forced will, be free?

Peter didn't will to deny Jesus,
but he was clearly caused to do so

This is an example of how God causes men
to change their will even when it is against
their initial will to do so

How much easier and unrecognizable
are the millions of choices we make

in which we very willingly make the decisions we do,
because they often appear to be pleasant, profitable,
and desirable choices?

This example
of the disciples forsaking Jesus is so important!!

Can we believe that Jesus
could have told His disciples the following:

"And Jesus said unto them,
All ye shall be offended because of me this night,

but then again,

maybe not all of you will be offended,
seeing that all of you have a free will

Or maybe this to Peter:

"And Jesus said unto him (Peter)
Verily I say unto you, that this day, even in this night,
before the cock crow twice, thou shall deny me thrice,

but then again,

maybe you won’t deny Me three times,
seeing that you have a free will

that does not need to deny me even once

It doesn’t depend on what I say,
or circumstances brought about by my Father,
or what God declares,

but rather on your own "free will"

Sounds a little silly
when we look at it logically doesn’t it?

Yet this is the contention
of those who believe in "free will"

Maybe Peter will,
but then again maybe Peter won’t,

NOT EVEN GOD KNOWS FOR SURE

Almost sounds like blasphemy, doesn’t it?

It is blasphemy to argue that when God
prophesies, states, and intends
that someone do a particular thing,

that the person is still at liberty
because of his supposed free will,
to not do what God has said

Yet this is what the theory of "free will" demands

The fact that God has a foreknowledge of everything
proves that free will is an impossibility,

True "free will" could alter the future

and therefore God could not
have an absolute and true knowledge of the future

Therefore, it is a grave error to state
that man has a free will that is not
"made" or "caused" to do as it does,

and yet state that God knows in advance
the only possible choice that a person must make

How can one believe
that if God states that a person will make choice A,
that he is nonetheless still at liberty to make choice B?

Let me restate that:

Can God say that you WILL make choice A,
but you can make choice B?

Can God say that such and such, WILL happen
but that it doesn’t need to happen?

The disciples WILL forsake and deny Christ,
but they have a free choice NOT to forsake and deny Him?

God knows in advance
that something WILL be a certain way,
and yet it doesn’t have to be that way?

Peter thought he possessed free will:

Matt 26:33
"Peter answered and said unto Him,
Though all men shall be offended because of you,
YET WILL I NEVER BE OFFENDED"

Jesus responded that Peter
had no freedom of the will
to stick by such a statement

"Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee,
That this night, before the cock crow,
YOU SHALL DENY ME thrice" (Ver 34)

Peter again responds
from the throne of his presumed free will
and CORRECTS Jesus to His face:

"Peter said unto Him,
Though I should DIE WITH THEE,
YET WILL I NOT DENY THEE

Likewise also said ALL THE DISCIPLES"
(Ver 35)


And the rest is history

When Peter
was confronted the third time we read this:

Matt 26:74 & 75
"Then began he to curse and to swear,
saying, I KNOW NOT THE MAN
And immediately the cock crew
and he went out, and wept bitterly"

Free will? Where? Give it up!!

What about all of the other disciples
who also thought they possessed this power
of free will and self-determinism?

Matt 26:56
"But all this was done,
that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled
Then ALL THE DISCIPLES FORSOOK HIM, AND FLED"

Free will? FREE will? FREE WILL?

Where?

If you still believe man has a will that is "free"
from external and internal causes, beyond his control,
then your arguments are not with me, but with God’s Word

Now for maybe the most profound
and all-encompassing statements in all Scripture:

Eph 1:11
"In Whom (GOD) also we have obtained
(‘obtained’ not ‘earned’) an inheritance,

being PREDESTINATED
(our ‘destiny’ was ‘pre’ arranged by God, not us)

according to the PURPOSE OF HIM
(not the free will, OF US!)

Who WORKS ALL THINGS (EVERY thing)

AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL
(not OUR OWN WILL)
At 9:35pm on February 27, 2009, William Wilbur said…
The Secret of Praying

How to have every prayer
that you will ever pray-
answered....Guaranteed!!

First you must know and believe:

Elohim is a Sovereign God,
knowing ALL THINGS
before you even ask and

Eph 1:11
Who works ALL THINGS
after the council of HIS OWN WILL

Jesus himself, revealed an amazing truth
during his most serious moment in prayer
in the garden of Gethsemane after
the last supper with his disciples

Mat 26:36
Then cometh Jesus with them
unto a place called Gethsemane,
and saith unto the disciples,
Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder

Mat 26:37
And he took with him Peter
and the two sons of Zebedee,
and began to be sorrowful and very heavy

Mat 26:38
Then saith he unto them,
My soul is EXCEEDINGLY SORROWFUL,
even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me

Mat 26:39
And he went a little farther,
and FELL ON HIS FACE, and prayed, saying,
O my Father, if it be possible, LET THIS CUP PASS
from me: nevertheless not as I will, BUT AS THOU WILT

Was Jesus sincerely, with all his heart, requesting that
IF AT ALL POSSIBLE "let this cup pass?"

YES, He surely was!!

Did God answer the prayer of Jesus to "let this cup pass?"

NO, He didn’t!!

Yet, did not Jesus get His prayer answered?

YES, He surely did!!

How so?

Because Jesus’ greater desire
was that his Father’s will be done,
rather than "let this cup pass"

Jesus has just shown us
not only the answer to ALL answered prayer
but also the answer to ALL unanswered prayer!!

If you always pray, "not as I will, but as THOU will,"
all of your prayers will be answered too!!

Whether you always get what you desire
or you do not get what you desire,

if your greatest desire of all desires
is for "THY WILL be done,"

then you can rest assured that from this day forward,
all of your prayers will always be answered!!

Elohim's WILL which is his intention for the way
he has already preordained everything to go,
will always be done!!

And believe me,
No prayer has ever changed
what God has planned or purposed to happen
exactly as he preordained and WILLED for it to happen

If it is God’s intention
for you to be blessed by some particular favor,

and God INSPIRES you to pray for that favor
then it will surely be given to you

If on the other hand,
if it was not God’s intention
for you to be blessed by some particular favor,

then no amount of praying
will cause God to grant it to you

Either way, God’s will must and will be done,

and if that is your GREATEST DESIRE in your prayers
then whether you receive some particular favor
or you don’t receive it, nevertheless,
your prayer will be answered!!

1John 5:14
And this is the confidence that we have in him,
that, if we ask any thing
ACCORDING TO HIS WILL,
he heareth us

Rom 8:26
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities (weaknesses):
for we know not what we should pray for as we ought:
but the Spirit itself maketh intercession (prayer) for us
with groanings which cannot be uttered

So what should you pray for?

Anything you desire that aligns with God's WILL

If God has blessed you with your physical needs
of food, clothing, shelter, and transportation-

then pray for the qualities of love, mercy, forgiveness,
kindness, gentleness, meekness, faith, courage,
knowledge, understanding, wisdom,
patience, self-control, and thankfulness!!

God is our Father and Jesus is our Saviour

God wants to hear from you!!

Talk to him!!

About anything and everything important enough
for you to think about or be concerned about

And always be thankful!!

At night when you lay down to sleep, spend a few minutes,
and thank God not only for your loved ones;
but even for your pillow, your bed,
the shelter over your head,
your refrigerator, your indoor plumbing,
the water you have to drink

and above all these, the Father who loved you
so far beyond your understanding,
that he sacrificed his only Son
so that you may live and become
his very image and Son/Daughter
At 9:24pm on February 27, 2009, William Wilbur said…
How can a person truly repent
if he does not understand-
his need for Salvation

YOU...Have a Terminal Illness

One of the hardest things
the Lord has to get us to realize-
IS HOW SICK WE REALLY ARE

Why?

Because we dont see ourselves as sick
We don't see ourselves as that bad

Infact, we like to think
that we are pretty good people;
who don't really go out of our way to harm others
or do those things that we consider that bad

And because of this type of carnal thinking
we don't really see the need
for what we are really in need of

CHRIST AND SALVATION!!

Imagine
If I was a doctor and I called you in
and said that I have some very bad news for you

Then I told you
that you have HIV

After the initial shock...
I then spent the next 15 minutes telling you
about all the things you may be going through
in the weeks to follow

The severity of this matter
would begin to be very obvious

but then,
I look up at you and smile and say:

BUT WE NOW HAVE A CURE!!!!

Do you SEE, how once you understand
the serious situation you are really in

and THEN find out that
THERE IS A CURE!!!

Then and only then
can you LOVE and APPRECIATE the CURE

WE CAN NEVER LOVE
AND APPRECIATE OUR SAVIOR

IF WE DONT SEE AND UNDERSTAND
THAT WE HAVE A TERMINAL ILLNESS

AND WE ARE DEAD WITHOUT HIM

Once we realize the truth of our situation
Nothing else could ever be
more important than the CURE

William Wilbur
myspace.com/water_spirit_blood
william-wilbur@blogspot.com/
http://livinginblackandwhite.ning.com/profile/WilliamWilbur
At 11:55pm on February 23, 2009, William Wilbur said…
FOREKNOWLEDGE CONTRADICTS FREE WILL

Phil 2:13
it is God (not man)
which works in you BOTH TO WILL (God causes us ‘to will’)
and TO DO (God causes us ‘to do’)
of His good pleasure" to bring about His intentions

After years of following Jesus daily,
the apostles were not as yet converted
In the evening of the last Passover
Jesus tells Peter:
Luke 22:31-32
"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon,
behold Satan has desired to have you,
that he may sift you as wheat;
But I have prayed for you,
that your faith fall not:
and when you are converted,
strengthen your brethren"

Yes indeed, "when you are converted"

And just when might that be?

Up until the very last day with their Lord,
the apostles all believed that they
possessed the power of free will,
which could enable them to choose
their own destiny, and that they could
and would have the strength of self determinism
and free will to maintain that course

But Jesus told His disciples
that they would all forsake Him

In other words,
Jesus was foretelling of EVENTS that would cause
(even ‘force,’ if you will) them to change their wills,
against their previously stated wills

They of course, all denied
that Jesus knew what He was talking about

Mark 14:27 & Zech 13:7
"And Jesus said unto them,
all ye shall be offended because of Me this night;
for it is written, I shall smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered"

The disciples all said
that they would remain loyal
but Jesus said that they would all
be offended because of Him

Was there a reason
for God causing the disciples
to will loyalty to Jesus and then
in the same night to will to deny Jesus?

Does God do anything in vain without a reason?

This was all part of their conversion process

God totally humiliated them by proving to them
that their own will was not free
to do what they wanted, but that

Phil. 2:13
"it is God (not man) which works in you
BOTH TO WILL (God causes us ‘to will’)
and TO DO (God causes us ‘to do’)
of His good pleasure"
to bring about His intentions

In just one night God smashed
the presumed free will of all the disciples
and they lost confidence in their flesh after that night

There are two things that constantly
oppose and change the will of man,
so that it cannot be said that the will
is free to will its own destiny
for even a day or an hour

What are these two factors
over which man has absolutely
no control whatsoever?

CIRCUMSTANCES
and
GOD’S WILL

CIRCUMSTANCES:
God changes the minds and wills of mankind
around the world, a billion times a minute,
through circumstances that "you know not"
which are actually the cause of your choices
and your changed choices

We are often if not most of the time
completely unaware of what actually
caused us to do or say or think as we do

How did all the disciples will
to remain loyal to Jesus no matter what,
at one moment in time, and in the next moment
they all changed their will to forsake Him?

What changed their wills?

Circumstances!!

One moment they were at ease and safe
in the upper room, and at a later moment
they were in the garden surrounded by Roman Soldiers!

Fear was the circumstance
that caused their (un-free) wills to change

So it was the presence of certain circumstances
that caused the disciples to will as they did

But what caused the circumstances
to be as they were to ensure
that they would will appropriately
to fulfill Christ’s prophecy concerning
their denying and forsaking Him?

GOD’S WILL:

Who was in charge of all these circumstances,
which caused the disciples to change their wills?

Why God, of course

They did not want to change their wills
They did not desire to deny their Lord and Saviour
They did not wish to make liars of themselves
They did not want to be shown to be cowards

Well then, why did they change their wills
if they did not wish to change their wills?

Were they free to not change their wills?

No, they were not free

The fear inside of them caused and made
(and yes, FORCED, if you will) them to change their will

And Jesus Himself told them
that they would change their wills,
so how pray tell could it have been otherwise?

God knew exactly what was needed
to make all of the disciples change their wills

God said that they would change their wills
and forsake Jesus,and God was not about
to be made a liar

Peter did not even know what it was that caused him
to deny Christ until the "cock crew"

In our above example with the disciples,
not only did they change their emphatically
stated will, but, they did so against their stated will

Even when they willed to change their will,
they did so against their original desired will

Peter did not want to deny Christ
But he was made to deny Christ
by the mere fact that the alternative (fear)
was greater than his desire to remain loyal

And so, how was he "free" to remain loyal?

He wasn’t

Peter was no more "free" to not deny Jesus
any more than he was "free"
to be loyal in his original choice

Both choices were caused,
and once something is caused to happen,
it could never had been otherwise

Once the cause is set in motion, the effect must follow

God brought about circumstances that
caused, made, forced, Peter to do
what he didn’t want to do

How then, can such a forced will, be free?

Peter didn't will to deny Jesus,
but he was clearly caused to do so

This is an example of how God causes men
to change their will even when it is against
their initial will to do so

How much easier and unrecognizable
are the millions of choices we make
in which we very willingly make the decisions we do,
because they often appear to be pleasant, profitable,
and desirable choices?

This example of the disciples forsaking Jesus is so important!!

Can we believe that Jesus
could have told His disciples the following:

"And Jesus said unto them,
All ye shall be offended because of me this night,

but then again,
maybe not all of you will be offended,
seeing that all of you have a free will

Or maybe this to Peter:

"And Jesus said unto him (Peter)
Verily I say unto you, that this day, even in this night,
before the cock crow twice, thou shall deny me thrice,

but then again,

maybe you won’t deny Me three times,
seeing that you have a free will
that does not need to deny me even once

It doesn’t depend on what I say,
or circumstances brought about by my Father,
or what God declares,

but rather on your own "free will"

Sounds a little silly
when we look at it logically doesn’t it?

Yet this is the contention
of those who believe in "free will"

Maybe Peter will,
but then again maybe Peter won’t,

NOT EVEN GOD KNOWS FOR SURE

Almost sounds like blasphemy, doesn’t it?

It is blasphemy to argue that when God
prophesies, states, and intends
that someone do a particular thing,

that the person is still at liberty
because of his supposed free will,
to not do what God has said

Yet this is what the theory of "free will" demands

The fact that God has a foreknowledge of everything
proves that free will is an impossibility,

True "free will" could alter the future and therefore
God could not have an absolute and true
knowledge of the future

Therefore, it is a grave error to state
that man has a free will that is not
"made" or "caused" to do as it does,

and yet state that God knows in advance
the only possible choice that a person must make

How can one believe
that if God states that a person will make choice A,
that he is nonetheless still at liberty to make choice B?

Let me restate that:

Can God say that you WILL make choice A,
but you can make choice B?

Can God say that such and such, WILL happen
but that it doesn’t need to happen?

The disciples WILL forsake and deny Christ,
but they have a free choice NOT to forsake and deny Him?

God knows in advance that something WILL be a certain way,
and yet it doesn’t have to be that way?

Peter thought he possessed free will:

Matt 26:33
"Peter answered and said unto Him,
Though all men shall be offended because of you,
YET WILL I NEVER BE OFFENDED"

Jesus responded that Peter had no freedom of the will
to stick by such a statement

"Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee,
That this night, before the cock crow,
YOU SHALL DENY ME thrice" (Ver 34)

Peter again responds
from the throne of his presumed free will
and CORRECTS Jesus to His face:

"Peter said unto Him,
Though I should DIE WITH THEE,
YET WILL I NOT DENY THEE

Likewise also said ALL THE DISCIPLES"
(Ver 35)

And the rest is history

When Peter
was confronted the third time we read this:

Matt 26:74 & 75
"Then began he to curse and to swear,
saying, I KNOW NOT THE MAN
And immediately the cock crew
and he went out, and wept bitterly"

Free will? Where? Give it up!!

What about all of the other disciples
who also thought they possessed this power
of free will and self-determinism?

Matt 26:56
"But all this was done,
that the Scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled
Then ALL THE DISCIPLES FORSOOK HIM, AND FLED"

Free will? FREE will? FREE WILL?

Where?

If you still believe man has a will that is "free"
from external and internal causes, beyond his control,
then your arguments are not with me, but with God’s Word

Now for maybe the most profound
and all-encompassing statements in all Scripture:

Eph 1:11
"In Whom (GOD) also we have obtained
(‘obtained’ not ‘earned’) an inheritance,
being PREDESTINATED
(our ‘destiny’ was ‘pre’ arranged by God, not us)
according to the PURPOSE OF HIM
(not the free will, OF US!)

Who WORKS ALL THINGS (EVERY thing)
AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL
(not OUR OWN WILL)
At 12:12am on February 20, 2009, William Wilbur said…
Blessings to all

It is such a blessing to me
to meet those that really
believe the Bible

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the BIBLE?

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the first half of 1Cor 15:22

"FOR AS IN ADAM...ALL...DIE?" (ALL OR MANY?)

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the last half,

"EVEN SO IN CHRIST
SHALL ...ALL... BE MADE ALIVE?" (ALL OR MANY?)

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the BIBLE?

Rom 5:19
For by one man's disobedience
MANY WERE MADE SINNERS

so by the obedience of one
SHALL MANY BE MADE RIGHTEOUS

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the BIBLE?

2Peter 3:9
The Lord is...not willing that ANY should perish

1Tim 2:4
Who will have ALL men to be SAVED
and to come unto the knowledge of the truth

1Tim 4:10
because we trust in the living GOD,
who is the SAVIOUR of ALL men,
specially (but not only) of those that believe

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the BIBLE?

Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them... ALL ... in unbelief,
that he might have mercy upon ALL

Do you really, I mean REALLY!!
BELIEVE the BIBLE?

Luke 3:6
And ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God

Do you believe that Jesus
only "wants or wishes" to save the world?

Do you believe "our Savior, God,
Who wants and wishes for
all mankind be saved
and come into a knowledge of the truth"
is a proper translation of 1Tim 2:4?

Do you believe that
"Who WILLS that ALL MANKIND BE SAVED"
is also the proper translation?

Do you believe Isa 46:11?
"I have spoken it
(as in He has spoken it in 1Tim 2:4 for example)
I WILL ALSO BRING IT TO PASS:

I have purposed it,
I WILL ALSO DO IT"

And here is a double witness
for the stubborn hearts:

"I AM GOD, and there is none like me
Declaring the end from the beginning,
and from ancient times
the things that are not yet done,
saying, My COUNSEL SHALL STAND,
and I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE"(Isa 46:9-10)

You CANNOT believe both;
that God "wills" to save all mankind
and that He will perform all His "pleasure"
and bring about all that He has "spoken,"

and then believe

that He will NOT save all mankind
and will NOT accomplish all His will
and will NOT do all His pleasure
and His counsel will NOT stand

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth,
will draw ALL men unto me

1John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify
that the Father sent the Son
to be SAVIOUR of the WORLD

1John 2:2
And he (Jesus)
is the propitiation (atoning sacrifice)
for our sins: and not for ours only,
but for the sins of the whole WORLD

2Cor 5:19
To wit, that GOD was in CHRIST,
reconciling the WORLD unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us
the word of reconciliation

John 1:29
Behold the Lamb of God,
which taketh away the sin of the WORLD

God sent Jesus...
to be SAVIOUR of the entire WORLD

Can Jesus be SAVIOUR of the entire WORLD
and NOT SAVE the entire WORLD ?

Will Jesus fail the Father
and not save the entire world?

Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed
unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment

Isaiah 26:9
for when thy judgments
are in the earth
the inhabitants of the world
will learn righteousness

1Cor 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned
he shall suffer loss but he himself
shall be saved yet so as by FIRE

ALL things work together for good
and Jesus will save the entire world

The Prize and "High Calling" of God
is to be in the first resurrection
and be able to stand before him-
and not to go through
Purification by Fire

Remember the Bible teaches us

1Co 12:3
and that no man can say
that Jesus is the Lord,
but by the Holy Ghost

and then goes on to say

Rom 14:11
For it is written,
As I live, saith the Lord,
every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God

Isa 45:23
I have sworn by myself,
the word is gone out of my mouth
in righteousness,
and shall not return,

That unto me every knee shall bow,
every tongue shall swear

Thus it shall be so;
even with the "non-believers"

Rom 10:13
For whosoever
shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

AND BELIEVE ME
those who have "their part" in the Lake of Fire
will be calling upon the Name of the Lord


and they will bow before him
and they will confess his name
and they will learn righteousness
 
 
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